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viva la

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240. You know, at some point, if you want it bad enough--

Thu Dec 19, 2024, 11:28 AM

Dec 19

You go for it. Not once. Not twice. However many times it takes.

Sorry to bring up an ancient example here... of a very young man who didn't quit the first time he didn't win in government.

Elected an MP at 21-- getting ahead right away with the usual privilege and corruption of the time and place (1789 Great Britain).
Dedicated to the abolition of the slave trade in Great Britain, he brought a bill every year for 17 years until it finally passed with a huge majority in 1806.
He didn't quit because he didn't win the first time. And neither will AOC.
Give her some credit. She's not naive. In fact, she's savvy. She knows things can move slowly, and I bet she's taking advantage of that right now. She'll be in the leadership soon.

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I am appalled at the ageist comments I am reading. [View all] sheshe2 Dec 18 OP

I agree Meowmee Dec 18 #1

I just saw a post where a duer ranted against president Biden calling him OLD !!! What the HELL Trueblue1968 Dec 18 #100

Yes, I agree, sad to see this but I have seen similar things before now as well... Meowmee Dec 18 #148

I am a senior citizen malaise Dec 18 #2

I am a senior citizen too. sheshe2 Dec 18 #8

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 18 #12

If a majority of younger people had voted viva la Dec 18 #14

You are 100% correct. sheshe2 Dec 18 #49

No BonnieJW Dec 18 #72

So at 18 years of age..... SergeStorms Dec 18 #92

i don't think anyone here said that an 18 yr old should "take the reins of power" orleans Dec 18 #144

Bullshit. B.See Dec 18 #138

And if they don't vote they will never have the representation they seek. sheshe2 Dec 18 #143

Well, I'm not sure how to fix that. viva la Dec 18 #149

I've voted in every election since I was eligible mcar Dec 19 #226

Another way of saying that is Bluetus Wednesday #276

Precisely, Viva. B.See Dec 18 #131

This. mcar Dec 19 #225

Years and years of hard work is what made us capable. sheshe2 Dec 18 #16

Sorry malaise Dec 18 #27

LOL. sheshe2 Dec 18 #40

I have to laugh. viva la Dec 18 #154

Both generations can learn from each other malaise Dec 19 #193

I got my first computer in 1984. viva la Dec 19 #227

Agree. Bought the first Mac available to use in my work. spooky3 Dec 19 #255

Keep on ridiculing them malaise Dec 19 #187

Who is ridiculing whom? viva la Dec 19 #237

We did just that, didn't we? Hekate Dec 18 #157

Thus has it ever been, slightlv Dec 18 #24

Isn't that the way of the world? COL Mustard Dec 18 #25

Not truth, but a very old bumper sticker. woven Dec 18 #62

Welcome to DU! spooky3 Dec 18 #68

ty woven Dec 18 #78

Then, I'm glad you now are posting! nt spooky3 Dec 18 #80

Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Dec 19 #270

No, Asa. Most will have to live B.See Dec 18 #130

When I'm younger and want your job Progressive dog Dec 18 #67

I believe that's the point, the proven results. Think. Again. Dec 19 #182

Maybe not take over BonnieJW Dec 18 #71

They are already in. sheshe2 Dec 18 #117

"Seniority" is an artificial construct that can be ignored. Renew Deal Dec 18 #126

Examples please. sheshe2 Dec 19 #172

There's the problem, isn't it? "She needs to serve her time". Why? muriel_volestrangler Dec 19 #181

Wasn't there a vote? I think it's a matter of not convincing her colleagues to vote for her. jimfields33 Dec 19 #190

There was a vote, so it was the Dem reps' opinion that decided. But I'd hope they didn't base that on muriel_volestrangler Dec 19 #191

That's a very "hey kids, get off the grass" way of looking it Renew Deal Dec 18 #124

You know, at some point, if you want it bad enough-- viva la Dec 19 #240

Results are crap right now. Takeover needed by new Democrats. Lucky Luciano Dec 18 #125

It's not so much age, but whether you can pass specific tests. Like for instance RoeVWade Dec 19 #222

They don't want our advice. SergeStorms Dec 18 #89

Can you blame them. malaise Dec 19 #186

I have never been able to buy a house or condo. LisaM Wednesday #274

What does that even mean? Happy Hoosier Dec 19 #217

You do know what AOC is doing now? Captain Zero Yesterday #278

Yep, guess all we're good for is the trash. greatauntoftriplets Dec 18 #3

I guess some think we should be put out to pasture. sheshe2 Dec 18 #9

Or set adrift on an ice floe Seeking Serenity Dec 18 #38

Maybe...but with climate change there won't be any ice left. sheshe2 Dec 18 #52

M a y b e that's the unspoken intention. Seeking Serenity Dec 18 #56

Yes you do JustAnotherGen Dec 18 #115

I am a boomer, age 75. I recently commented wnylib Dec 19 #233

You should be at home raising your grandkids. S Keepthesoulalive Dec 18 #41

Please don't rat me out to Eloon.... greatauntoftriplets Dec 18 #108

Well Keepthesoulalive Dec 18 #114

Poor babies will go hungry if they have to depend on that. greatauntoftriplets Dec 18 #118

Or Beardo SheltieLover Dec 18 #127

Him too. greatauntoftriplets Dec 18 #140

And where have we heard that before? radical noodle Dec 18 #133

My point Keepthesoulalive Dec 18 #155

I agree with you, SheShe SheltieLover Dec 18 #4

Great analogy, SheltieLover. sheshe2 Dec 18 #19

Ty, She! SheltieLover Dec 18 #121

Thats Sheltie! kozar Dec 18 #32

Hi Koz SheltieLover Dec 18 #120

Why was Biden being bashed at the Verizon store? BannonsLiver Dec 18 #81

I think its more about people who cannot give up power nt msongs Dec 18 #5

Yes, absolutely. Celerity Dec 18 #10

Absolutely not. sheshe2 Dec 18 #20

disagree nt Celerity Dec 18 #86

As do I with you. nt sheshe2 Dec 18 #90

Exactly.. Absolutely NOT. That's so insulting. Cha Dec 18 #94

100% Spot on Celerity SunImp Dec 18 #161

+1 leftstreet Dec 18 #129

But the caucus voted. It wasn't up to the candidates to decide spooky3 Dec 19 #257

I assume this is about AOC Trenzalore Dec 18 #6

Partially, however the comments went way beyond politics. sheshe2 Dec 18 #13

Generations are always at odds Trenzalore Dec 18 #17

AOC may be claudette Dec 18 #46

I think experience may be overrated right now Trenzalore Dec 18 #58

May be but claudette Dec 18 #109

That is a matter of opinion Trenzalore Dec 18 #116

AOC well deserved the chair, as her brand of progressive populism is the key to the Democratic Party's future success!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 18 #83

However claudette Dec 18 #110

Whatever will help the democratic party become a majority party in 2027 should take precedence Trenzalore Dec 19 #185

Hold on claudette Dec 19 #197

Obama had just started his first term as a federal senator questionseverything Dec 19 #205

Oh please claudette Dec 19 #210

Not a tenth as intelligent? That's bs and insulting to all women questionseverything Dec 19 #214

Every candidate that ran in 2008 had more experience than President Obama Trenzalore Dec 19 #224

Inexperienced in doing what exactly? ThePartyThatListens Dec 19 #254

The Speaker Emerita is still a serving member of Congress, newly re-elected. She didn't quit the job... Hekate Dec 19 #162

That is my point Trenzalore Dec 19 #175

Her constituents wanted her to continue. Nt spooky3 Dec 19 #258

When you were the leader Trenzalore Dec 19 #264

That is why constituents are given a vote. If they agreed with you, spooky3 Dec 19 #267

Yeah, AOC not getting that ranking member post is not the end of the world. Even if it wasn't... brush Dec 18 #7

I agree... slightlv Dec 18 #29

Exactly! claudette Dec 18 #48

Nonsense, we need the best person for every job. Think. Again. Dec 19 #184

Sorry claudette Dec 19 #196

That's weird, I didn't say she was mine either. Think. Again. Dec 19 #245

So, when she's 70 or 80? Bettie Dec 18 #76

Be fair. She's 35. Stop exagerating. There are Dems in their late 30s... brush Dec 18 #139

Let's put it this way. Would you want relatively new hire to leapfrog over you... brush Dec 19 #242

exactly--she has not paid her dues cadoman Dec 19 #216

She sided with "the public"? displacedvermoter Dec 19 #251

It is bigotry and a disgusting look for a Democrat. brer cat Dec 18 #11

mature and wise is no guarantee of best and most capable nt msongs Dec 18 #15

Nor is being young a guarantee of best and most capable. sheshe2 Dec 18 #22

Excellent Response.. TY! Cha Dec 18 #35

Wait ..what's wrong with being "wise"? Being wise is an important trait. People go seek the advice of wise people... electric_blue68 Dec 19 #164

Nor is young and smart Iris Wednesday #275

The Party, including a number of the folks who voted displacedvermoter Dec 18 #37

Some might say that she needs to exhibit patience, achieve things with what she does have Seeking Serenity Dec 18 #45

She's still a claudette Dec 18 #50

Please do share how AOC acts like 'a newbie' at this point. Celerity Dec 18 #136

I would have agreed with that remark 4 or 5 years ago. NH Ethylene Dec 19 #168

Sorry claudette Dec 19 #198

Non responsive to my specific question. Your opinion is not evidence. Celerity Dec 19 #202

Describe how she acts ThePartyThatListens Dec 19 #253

She was one of 80 year old Joe Biden's most displacedvermoter Dec 18 #57

The Democratic caucus did not agree. Seeking Serenity Dec 18 #65

I don't know what you are saying, really displacedvermoter Dec 18 #79

This is what ultimately won me over. BannonsLiver Dec 18 #73

Some say... Cirsium Dec 18 #84

It's not their age that's is the problem ThePartyThatListens Dec 19 #250

Many will see bigotry, because of the seeming hypocrisy and not choosing a woman, a Hispanic woman at that. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 18 #96

Congressman Connolly may well be dying of cancer. displacedvermoter Dec 18 #102

"may well be dying" Mossfern Dec 19 #228

I have no idea how cognitively impaired he is. displacedvermoter Dec 19 #230

So we are to say nothing as we watch TSF in decline this next four years? Sneederbunk Dec 18 #18

Where are you reading that? sheshe2 Dec 18 #23

Ffs it's about new ideas, new ways, new techniques Arazi Dec 18 #21

Excellent take!! AOC's progressive ideas are EXACTLY those that will resonate with the American populace!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 18 #111

A lot of it should be mentoring LogDog75 Dec 19 #265

Mahalo, she.. as you say the Trashing is "way beyond policy".. Cha Dec 18 #26

You are right Cha, the focus now is the shutdown. sheshe2 Dec 18 #36

Yes Fucking nazi lover Fascist POS Muskhead Cha Dec 18 #64

Musk bought the 'residency. sheshe2 Dec 18 #107

Yes, musk bought the WH for TSF with Million$ Cha Dec 18 #122

PS I just read This by Josh Marshall on TSF & musk... Cha Dec 18 #135

That is frightening, isn't it. sheshe2 Dec 18 #142

I know .. I can't even, either. And I know it's asking a Lot Cha Dec 18 #150

Aloha, Cha, & Mahalo SheltieLover Dec 18 #141

Aloha Sheltie! Cha Dec 18 #146

K&R LW1977 Dec 18 #28

There's a thing called provocation OP ThePartyThatListens Dec 18 #30

Refusing to learn what, exactly? Hekate Dec 19 #165

The lessons of November 2024 ThePartyThatListens Dec 19 #177

The election lessons are that Trump was elected based on Nixie Dec 19 #200

So now we are looking to Republicans reactions to our party, Emile Dec 19 #203

My comment was about the election results. Nixie Dec 19 #207

I don't think we should be using Republican reactions to AOC Emile Dec 19 #211

Trump is a con man. I'll make that easy for you since Nixie Dec 19 #236

Well shit everyone knows that. That's a strawman Emile Dec 19 #246

No kidding. That's why I brought up the article in which he is pushing AOC to lead Democrats. Nixie Dec 19 #260

Of course he's a con man. I said that back Emile Dec 19 #262

Which is what I was saying. A Republican con man wants AOC to keep trying to lead Democrats, so Nixie Dec 19 #263

Try to learn... ThePartyThatListens Dec 19 #231

Yawn. Some rando on the internet. Nixie Dec 19 #235

Thanks for posting. Emile Dec 19 #247

Yes bucolic_frolic Dec 18 #31

Me too. leftieNanner Dec 18 #33

I'm old and I'm not. Crunchy Frog Dec 18 #34

Guess I have no f'in idea what your talking about. Perhaps give a couple examples? erronis Dec 18 #39

Me neither... besides, ironically, Bernie has been unfairly criticized over his age by some practically nonstop. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 18 #95

Yes, but apparently some here say it's only Pelosi and others being criticized for their age SunImp Dec 18 #160

Yes, it's not only Pelosi and that form of criticism is not fair to her either... or to AOC for her relative youth. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 19 #170

I believe this thread is an absolutely perfect example of why the Democratic party needs fresh voices. Think. Again. Dec 18 #42

Fuckin A. BannonsLiver Dec 18 #77

30 is the cut-off age. Tarzanrock Dec 18 #43

I've never had any personal delusions about my usefulness. Aussie105 Dec 18 #44

A Similar Thread will appear in 20 years! BOSSHOG Dec 18 #47

Its a generational change. kozar Dec 18 #51

Amen and amen n/t Lulu KC Dec 18 #53

Question for anyone: I'd be interested to hear the plan for connecting with young voters Orrex Dec 18 #54

David Hogg, Taylor Swift and Victor Shi... sheshe2 Dec 18 #69

But what is the party doing, and how does picking Connolly over AOC further that strategy? Orrex Dec 18 #75

I don't get it either. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 18 #93

How many of our experienced leaders do we have to kick to the curb before we "inspire young voters to go to the polls?" W_HAMILTON Dec 19 #176

A few things Orrex Dec 19 #192

Pelois was the most powerful Democrat in the House. Hoyer was the second. Clyburn was the third. W_HAMILTON Sunday #273

Hey, try being a well-to-do, 65+ white male around here, we don't get no respect! Abolishinist Dec 18 #55

Yes, agree. Also this BS about how Dems are losing people over not giving AOC a ranking LymphocyteLover Dec 18 #59

How so? Xoan Dec 18 #85

the vast majority of voters have no clue who the ranking member is and this ranking member LymphocyteLover Dec 19 #206

Politically? Renew Deal Dec 18 #60

I too am appalled at the agism quakerboy Dec 18 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 19 #194

Paging Bob Dylan GusBob Dec 18 #63

Here you go Cirsium Dec 18 #88

Before my time but there is another verse, I think GusBob Dec 18 #105

There was a time Codifer Dec 18 #66

Absolutely agree with this. The ageist comments are disgusting. Akacia Dec 18 #70

There is no place for ageism... and that should include insensitive ageist comments hurled at Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 18 #104

Yeah, I remember the " No more old white men" phrase that was all the rage during the 2016 primary, here on DU. jalan48 Dec 18 #123

and the PUMA racism in 2008. nt RandiFan1290 Dec 19 #189

What age does AOC become useful? Emile Dec 18 #74

AOC, right now, is the leading progressive populist in our party after Bernie... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 18 #87

Not all people who were useful in the past are useful in the future. RockRaven Dec 18 #82

I'm appalled at the bigoted comments I am reading SocialDemocrat61 Dec 18 #91

Not credible Cirsium Dec 18 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 18 #98

Exactly SocialDemocrat61 Dec 18 #119

+1 leftstreet Dec 18 #134

Not the first thread on this topic & probably not the last SunImp Dec 19 #163

when fascism is on the line, MAYBE Skittles Dec 18 #99

I wasn't going to get involved in this discussion, but you are SO right!!!!! DFW Dec 18 #101

Do you think you could do all of that while taking chemotherapy? questionseverything Dec 19 #213

If I'm ambulatory and not in pain, sure. DFW Dec 19 #243

I'm 70 canetoad Dec 18 #103

I'm 76. Tanned, rested and ready. usonian Dec 18 #106

Where do you file? sheshe2 Dec 18 #112

Luckily for everyone here, H2O Man Dec 18 #113

Yes, connelly is a millionaire and takes alot of different moneys i am not comfortable with questionseverything Dec 19 #208

Sheshe, you are 100% right! Look at Bernie's age--it's given Nixie Dec 18 #128

Rec! Mahalo, Nixie! Cha Dec 18 #153

Wrong, we see the same people crying about Bernie's age all the time by the same people SunImp Dec 18 #158

Don't accuse the DU member of "lying".. I haven't seen anyone Cha Dec 19 #178

What a joke. Try and be consistent and call for Bernie to move Nixie Dec 19 #188

"Look at Bernie's age--it's given a pass" SunImp Dec 19 #219

Those are not pile on threads. One was my post. Juxtaposing Nixie Dec 19 #238

The very same people. Autumn Dec 19 #234

Agree with you sheshe2 debm55 Dec 18 #132

The ageism here is against AOC. Emile Dec 18 #137

THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 18 #159

Elizabeth Warren onenote Dec 18 #145

Connolly's cancer diagnosis was only announced after the election muriel_volestrangler Dec 19 #183

What is your experience with esophageal cancer? onenote Dec 19 #244

Me too, for a family member, who was deemed too old and with complications muriel_volestrangler Dec 19 #252

Biden did a great job as president doc03 Dec 18 #147

I'm just gobsmacked by some of the posts I've seen on this subject radical noodle Dec 18 #151

Thank you, radical noodle Hekate Dec 18 #156

Thank you, all true betsuni Dec 19 #179

Rec! Well Said, Rad.. Thank You! Cha Dec 19 #180

Great post radical noodle. sheshe2 Dec 19 #239

Hi, She. Gods, remember when we were young? Remember the draft? And Vietnam? Kinda felt like politicians... Hekate Dec 18 #152

Still not all caught up on this thread- but age IMHO- while some generalizations; it's way often an Individual Effect electric_blue68 Dec 19 #166

History goes in cycles. I remember the fight for civil rights. usonian Dec 19 #167

As a senior citizen LogDog75 Dec 19 #169

I agree Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 19 #171

Yes. sheshe2 Dec 19 #173

If all leadership had age limits, term limits right now -- what's going to change? Nothing. Republicans still there. betsuni Dec 19 #174

Look what was said about President Biden. Patton French Dec 19 #195

What you seem to be saying is that there is a Bettie Dec 19 #199

Still waiting for the OP to answer my question at what age does AOC become useful? Emile Dec 19 #201

Right? Bettie Dec 19 #204

I'm not the OP, but AOC is already useful radical noodle Dec 19 #212

But according to some, she is too young to be ranking member of the House Oversight Committee. Emile Dec 19 #215

I missed seeing anyone saying she's too young radical noodle Dec 19 #218

How many terms in Congress before she is considered experienced? Emile Dec 19 #220

The OP, me, spoke of the multitude of threads with ageist remarks. sheshe2 Dec 19 #248

Sorry to hear you're having car problems. Emile Dec 19 #249

Actually, I don't think it's an issue of age per se Mossfern Dec 19 #266

Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig were replaced when they faced age and illness. Gore1FL Dec 19 #209

Boomers have been holding on to institutional knowledge and power for decades. There's been a stagnation in workplaces, WhiskeyGrinder Dec 19 #221

Can you give some examples? themaguffin Dec 19 #223

Member when JFK got elected? GreenWave Dec 19 #229

Old here and had conversation just last night with son and said they need to get the younger LizBeth Dec 19 #232

I was so much older then mdmc Dec 19 #241

Some of us forget that it was in part Biden's experience that enabled him spooky3 Dec 19 #256

What makes Connolly a better person to be ranking member on the committee? How does he help the party more than AOC? LonePirate Dec 19 #259

I feel your pain. William769 Dec 19 #261

Hey you. sheshe2 Dec 19 #269

It's not age, it's culture Granny Blue Dec 19 #268

These older ladies get it ThePartyThatListens Saturday #271

I don't watch long videos. sheshe2 Saturday #272

Reading some of the early posts on this thread, and I was thinking Dan Yesterday #277

I don't belive that ageism is always clear cut Polybius Yesterday #279