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Celerity

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25. That is not what you claimed, and only the suspect CAIR poll shows Harris not the winner of a majority of Muslim votes.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 12:49 AM
Dec 24

None show what you claimed, especially the AP and FOX massive polls.

Arab-Americans overwhelmingly voted for King Donnie


I still say CAIR was skewed via their methodology, a skewing that massively under-counted Harris votes. But even there, Trump was nowhere near 'Arab-Americans overwhelmingly voting for Trump''

That is what you claimed and it is simply not factual. Words matter. I am not going to entertain ex post facto revisionism of your claim that you are now trying to effect.

Yes, a vote for Stein (IF the voter otherwise would have voted for Harris, BUT IF they would have voted for Trump, then it hurts Trump) was the same as a blank vote for POTUS (IF the voter otherwise would have voted for Harris, BUT IF they would have voted for Trump, then it hurts Trump) or a Harris voter staying home (Trump voters staying home obviously hurt Trump).

YES, all three of those above scenarios hurt Harris (as long as they were potential Harris voters), as it denied her a vote and I CONDEMN all 3 types, but they are not the double hammer blow that happens when a Harris voter flipped and actually voted for Trump.

In that case, Harris both loses a vote AND Trump gains one.

The same goes for Trump voter who switches to Harris. It is also a double hammer blow, as Trump loses a vote AND Harris gains one.

IF a Muslim Trump voter was Trump all along (and every election some Muslims vote Rethug, no matter what), then there is neither the double blow nor a single blow.

Same for some of the Stein voters. Some are just never going to vote for any Dem or any Rethug. That happened in 2016, when 40 plus per cent of Stein voters (we are now speaking of all demographics, not just Muslim voters) said if no Stein, then they would have not voted (or voted blank for POTUS).

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Hamas should surrender ZRB Dec 23 #1
You are blaming this behavior on Hamas? Big Blue Marble Dec 23 #4
Post removed Post removed Dec 23 #10
That would be tragic. N/T Big Blue Marble Dec 23 #12
"Look what you made us do" is the mentality of abusers & psychopaths Avalon Sparks Dec 23 #16
It's the only card that Bibi's apologists have to play Orrex Dec 24 #27
It's hilarious that you imagine Hamas' surrender would end Bibi's deliberate war of aggression Orrex Dec 24 #26
archive link Celerity Dec 23 #2
Brainwashed monsters malaise Dec 23 #3
Trashing yet another pro-Terrorist thread DeepWinter Dec 23 #5
false framing, Haaretz is one of the Israeli newspapers of record and is simply documenting things that you do not like Celerity Dec 23 #6
Totally agree. I'm a Haaretz subscriber. Mike 03 Dec 23 #8
The Changing Face of Haaretz: From Critical Voice to Questionable Agenda Mosby Dec 23 #14
Offended by everything, ashamed by nothing. Avalon Sparks Dec 23 #15
No such thing as karma Mosby Dec 23 #17
More lies Avalon Sparks Dec 23 #20
unrec Intractable Dec 23 #9
"breaks his arm at the elbow and his leg here. " Intractable Dec 23 #7
War makes monsters of combatants. maxsolomon Dec 23 #11
suppertime kick WhiskeyGrinder Dec 23 #13
How many hasbara here spapeggy Dec 23 #18
The proper syntax is how much (not how many) is being posted, and it's not just limited to coming from Israel proper Celerity Dec 23 #22
I can think of at least one who might fit that criteria Rob H. Dec 24 #32
Aren't European Jew who migrated to Israel in 40's the real anti-Semites? Jit423 Dec 23 #19
Who are you talking about? Mosby Dec 24 #33
Arab-Americans overwhelmingly voted for King Donnie Blue_Tires Dec 23 #21
No, they did not. AP Votecast & Fox found 63 percent of Muslims voted Harris, CAIR found 53% voted Stein, neither Celerity Dec 23 #23
A vote for Stein was still a vote for Trump Blue_Tires Dec 24 #24
That is not what you claimed, and only the suspect CAIR poll shows Harris not the winner of a majority of Muslim votes. Celerity Dec 24 #25
Fine, I'll stand slightly corrected... Blue_Tires Dec 24 #28
We both agree that Harris did get hurt by far too many Muslims not voting for her. And I, like you, condemn those who Celerity Dec 24 #29
When do the protests at Bedminster and Mar-a-Lago start? thebigidea Dec 24 #30
There was a good article at Commondreams a few days ago, too Rob H. Dec 24 #31
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