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onenote

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49. As much as I wish the facts and law didn't operate to allow Gaetz to escape punishment, they are what they are.
Fri Dec 27, 2024, 02:42 PM
Yesterday

While I'm quite confident that there is no one here who would defend Gaetz, facts and law still matter and, unfortunately, the facts and law in this situation have allowed Gaetz to escape punishment for his actions.

First, the facts establish (beyond a reasonable doubt in my opinion) that he had sex with a 17 year old in Florida July 2017.
Second, the law in Florida sets the age of consent at 18.
Third, the law in Florida sets the statute of limitations for bringing a statutory rape prosecution at 3 years.
Fourth, the fact that Gaetz had sex with a 17 year old in July 2017 did not come to the attention of state or federal authorities until sometime after his associate Joel Greenberg was arrested on federal identity theft and stalking charges unrelated to Greenberg's activities in procuring women and minors to engage in sex with himself and others, including Gaetz. Specifically, while Greenberg was arrested on stalking/identity theft charges in June 2020, the first mention of sex crimes came in a second superseding indictment issued in August 2020.
Fifth, while there is evidence that Gaetz had sex with the same person in the Bahamas in March 2021, by that time she had passed her 18th birthday.
Fifth, by the time information about Gaetz having had sex with a 17 year old became known, it appears that the statute of limitations had run, precluding Florida from bringing a statutory rape charge against Gaetz.

Finally, it is worth noting that after Garland took office in March 2021, DOJ aggressively pursued charges against Joel Greenberg, resulting in a plea deal with a long prison sentence.

Would we all be happier if the timeline and the applicable laws were different? I know I would. But they are what they are.

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I'm disgusted that this is even a conversation. Think. Again. Yesterday #1
An underaged child being sexually abused ruins their lives for the rest of their lives. Clouds Passing Yesterday #2
Which child rapists did Garland set free? onenote Yesterday #5
Goetz, Dump........... Stop defending MG, I am not in the mood for that now! Clouds Passing Yesterday #24
Epstein died more than a year before Garland took office onenote Yesterday #28
Facts? We don't need no stinking facts! MineralMan Yesterday #31
Yes he did. Child molesters defend each other and that is a FACT. Clouds Passing Yesterday #32
Yes. I have first hand knowledge. onecaliberal Yesterday #8
I'm sorry Clouds Passing Yesterday #30
Is federal legislation needed to standardize the age of consent? Frasier Balzov Yesterday #3
With this creepy MAGA movement happening it should be looked at. Quiet Em Yesterday #15
The age of sexual consent varies from 16-18, depending on the state. MineralMan Yesterday #4
I am missing your point. Are you saying that if a congressman has sex with Scrivener7 Yesterday #7
My point is simple. If someone is at or older than the age of consent, MineralMan Yesterday #9
Well, no. It doesn't depend. Gaetz slept with a 17 year old in Florida where the age of consent is 18. Scrivener7 Yesterday #11
I'm not defending Gaetz. He's a creep. MineralMan Yesterday #12
You made a comment about varying age of consent by state and said, "facts matter." Scrivener7 Yesterday #13
The question is about what the definition of a "child" is. MineralMan Yesterday #16
In legal terms a child is a minor that is below the age of majority chowder66 Yesterday #23
When it comes to sexual consent, it varies. MineralMan Yesterday #27
"Child" is not a loaded word when it comes to teen years. Teens are still considered children. Clouds Passing Yesterday #34
So Kyle Rittenhouse was a 17 year old "child"? onenote Yesterday #63
It would be nice to have every state have the same age of consent Polybius Yesterday #44
I agree and I would like to see it be 18. chowder66 Yesterday #55
One of my friends thinks it should be 21 Polybius Yesterday #58
There are a lot of families that would like to launch their kids earlier than 21. chowder66 Yesterday #60
What Gaetz did is punishable up to 15 years Quiet Em Yesterday #37
Then the State of Florida should charge and try him. MineralMan Yesterday #38
They absolutely should have. It's disturbing. Quiet Em Yesterday #40
Well, probably the statute of limitations prevents that now. MineralMan Yesterday #42
A minor can't consent and ignorance of age is not a defense. Quiet Em Yesterday #46
Correct The statute of limitations barred prosecution onenote Yesterday #64
Are you saying you believe their non-prosecution Scrivener7 Yesterday #45
I didn't say that at all. MineralMan Yesterday #52
Is a 17 year old legally defined as a child? Polybius Yesterday #43
Yes. The age of consent is 18. Legally, Gaetz raped her. Scrivener7 Yesterday #48
My state has always been 17 Polybius Yesterday #50
It would make things much easier for pervy politicians. Scrivener7 Yesterday #56
Or, as they sometimes refer to child sex abuse victims: "underage women." Scrivener7 Yesterday #6
Look how few people care even here. onecaliberal Yesterday #10
This thread certainly has gone weird. Scrivener7 Yesterday #14
Yep the usual suspects arguing about moot points. Missing the point of the damage rapists cause. Clouds Passing Yesterday #33
Yes. I would have thought agreeing with this OP without Scrivener7 Yesterday #35
Instead it turned into a questioning of the meaning of the word is Clouds Passing Yesterday #39
Mansplaining often does send conversations Scrivener7 Yesterday #41
Thank you Clouds Passing Yesterday #62
I see a pattern with my threads. onecaliberal Yesterday #47
But, but is it illegal if child rape happens on a private island... rubbersole Yesterday #17
Remember, the majority of MAGA voted for a child rapist NotHardly Yesterday #18
For the life of me, I could never understand why the Harris campaign. . . Stargleamer Yesterday #25
DOJ??? Bluethroughu Yesterday #19
My wife was raped by her bil Greyhead Yesterday #20
Speaking as someone who was raped at 13, I think the punishment should be double when it involves a kid. OMGWTF Yesterday #21
I'm sorry. onecaliberal Yesterday #54
Imaginary "liberal" child rape... orwell Yesterday #22
ALL rape is illegal and should be punished Stargleamer Yesterday #26
I wrote something similar MuseRider Yesterday #36
Coming from a person who ran away from home to prevent rape from a father figure at 15 yrs of age Stargazer99 Yesterday #29
Couldn't agree more and same feelings. onecaliberal Yesterday #53
As much as I wish the facts and law didn't operate to allow Gaetz to escape punishment, they are what they are. onenote Yesterday #49
IOKIYAAR keithbvadu2 Yesterday #51
The brother of my friend is spending 25 years in a Texan prison no_hypocrisy Yesterday #57
I agree but the legal system is inconsistent with respect to even a 15 year old's ability to make sound choices Habitation Yesterday #59
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Yesterday #61
I was raped numerous times when I was 13 and 14. It isn't that easy. LeftInTX 21 hrs ago #65
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