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241. Both I would say. Good points.

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I am sick of the slaughter in Gaza [View all] malaise Dec 26 OP

The Palestinian terrorists releasing all of the hostages would likely go a long way to achieving this Jose Garcia Dec 26 #1

Obviously, Bebe doesn't care about the hostages womanofthehills Dec 26 #7

How did the need to get them back materialize? Beastly Boy Dec 27 #64

But when you look at the news and the genocide do you recall? arthritisR_US Dec 27 #72

Social and for-profit news media knows jack shit about genocide, Beastly Boy Dec 27 #77

So who/where is your source of information? arthritisR_US Dec 27 #81

It depends on what my purpose is. Beastly Boy Dec 27 #95

And, after that, I still wait a few days, sometimes the "real" information takes awhile to come out. nt yagotme Sunday #226

I've given up. Voltaire2 Dec 26 #2

I've given up too. Last year at this time I tended to have Mike 03 Dec 26 #20

What one does depends on how important the issue is Kaleva Dec 27 #83

The "American people" voted to let it go on... Wounded Bear Dec 26 #3

Would a Harris administration do more to stop it than Biden did? Martin Eden Dec 27 #104

I actually think she would have. At least I hoped so, but now it will likely get much worse under Trump. Celerity Sunday #235

Two possible reasons Kamala didn't say she would withold bombs from Israel Martin Eden Sunday #240

Both I would say. Good points. Celerity Sunday #241

Aside from electoral politics, the BIG question remains: Martin Eden Sunday #242

The opposite of what Trump will likely do. Celerity Sunday #243

They've got their hotels and casinos designed and ready to go, as soon as the bloody mess is bulldozed over. msfiddlestix Dec 27 #120

Who are "they"? Where are the designs? Beastly Boy Dec 27 #122

There's a "concept" of a design. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 27 #123

Oh... My bad. My total lack of compassion for humanity blinded me to a concept of a design. Shame on me. Beastly Boy Dec 27 #124

..... msfiddlestix Dec 27 #131

Well there's this guy: Dave Bowman Dec 27 #140

So the "they" are just one guy. Beastly Boy Dec 27 #163

It was an example, as you very well know. Dave Bowman Dec 27 #170

An example of what? Beastly Boy Dec 27 #176

Lol. Keep digging, Beast. Dave Bowman Dec 27 #179

Stop Being Silly IamHappy Dec 27 #180

Believe me, I am very serious. Beastly Boy Dec 27 #181

Wait! H2O Man Dec 27 #165

Of course, silly me. :) Dave Bowman Dec 27 #168

I blame Hamas for hiding in, around and under its women and children. elias7 Dec 26 #4

Curious, no blame from you for the murderous warmongers Netanyahu/likud/IDF commanders who keep bombing the shit... brush Dec 26 #6

A curious deflection into something that's only been mentioned a couple of dozen times in this thread alone... Beastly Boy Dec 27 #63

Which should tell you how biased, one-sided unfeeling and bereft of humanity your op is. Get a clue. brush Dec 27 #65

Tell me more about the bias. and give more examples, please. Beastly Boy Dec 27 #67

Oh, it's you, BB. I hadn't noticed before. I know ou're totally one-sided on the matter... brush Dec 27 #69

My empathy is no one's business but my own. Beastly Boy Dec 27 #73

Let's not go any further with this, pls. brush Dec 27 #75

That is my wish, and I appreciate your offer. Beastly Boy Dec 27 #79

"my empathy for Gazan civilians, in deed and not in word, is likely to exceed that of the most vocal performers here on Dave Bowman Saturday #185

Here that whooshing sound going over your head? MarineCombatEngineer Saturday #190

For some ForgedCrank Saturday #194

For others, discerning between a logic-based opinion and a strawman argument is a real struggle. Beastly Boy Sunday #218

And my ForgedCrank Sunday #223

...What was your point again? Beastly Boy Sunday #227

It is ForgedCrank Sunday #228

Since I am not getting your point, and since you replied to my post, and not post #190, Beastly Boy Sunday #233

I'll go over it, but in smaller pieces for you. ForgedCrank Sunday #234

Ok, I guess I did need to go over it in smaller pieces and in proper order. Beastly Boy Sunday #236

"Here* that whooshing sound going over your head?" Dave Bowman Sunday #222

Wow!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Sunday #224

No, but I certainly feel superior to the purveyors of performative outrage, and not just on DU. Beastly Boy Saturday #193

Never malaise Saturday #187

When America drs are seeing toddlers with gun shots in their heads womanofthehills Dec 26 #9

You are aware they came to power directly with Bibi support years ago? IbogaProject Dec 26 #12

Did you see these articles from Haaretz? people Dec 26 #13

This. So much this. ZRB Dec 26 #15

Israel imilitary just assumes that any Palestinian man is Hamas erodriguez Dec 26 #22

Israel's produced precious little evidence that snot Dec 26 #26

That didn't age well, did it?Less than 24 hours after the end of operation, the evidence. And it's just a start. Beastly Boy Sunday #220

Thank you. Could you please provide the source for your info? snot Sunday #237

Sorry, here it is: Beastly Boy Sunday #238

Fwiw, here is the Guardian's account of what appears to be the same attack: snot Sunday #239

Yes, I read the article. Beastly Boy Sunday #244

This message was self-deleted by its author spapeggy Dec 26 #27

What you write PhylliPretzel Dec 26 #30

Except confessions of Hamas leaders of doing just that. Beastly Boy Dec 27 #71

Post those videos, we would like to see your proof. arthritisR_US Dec 27 #80

If you insist. Beastly Boy Dec 27 #96

"confessions of Hamas leaders" Dave Bowman Dec 27 #87

Doesn't look like these Hamas terrorists are being tortured, does it? Beastly Boy Dec 27 #97

This is a good example of non sequitur with a dash of Israeli propaganda and two scoops of bullshit in the mix. Dave Bowman Dec 27 #137

Are you saying they DO look like they are being tortured? Beastly Boy Dec 27 #142

I wasn't talking about these guys and your reply has nothing to do with the op. Dave Bowman Dec 27 #147

Wait a minute... let me process this... was I supposed to reply to YOUR post with something that has to do with the OP Beastly Boy Dec 27 #156

"your ridiculous presumption that ALL of them were tortured?" Dave Bowman Dec 27 #166

Why a diversion all of a sudden? Beastly Boy Dec 27 #173

This doesn't work for BB any more uponit7771 Dec 26 #32

Look what you made us do" is the mentality of abusers & psychopaths. Avalon Sparks Dec 26 #42

I blame the gullible and/or complicit for uncritically spewing Israeli propaganda. AloeVera Dec 26 #56

Don't support Starbucks either, every cup of beverage purchased, a percentage goes to Israel. People akbacchus_BC Dec 27 #111

Are you telling me there are still progressive types overpaying for that muddy piss just to show off? Beastly Boy Dec 27 #125

Spot on! thank you. comradebillyboy Dec 27 #113

Congo and Darfur are much more concerning Fichefinder Dec 26 #5

No place is more concerning than the other womanofthehills Dec 26 #10

Uh huh. How curious far worse slaughters NEVER get mentioned Arazi Dec 26 #11

Excellent observation. There are any number of comradebillyboy Dec 27 #115

Then please do post some OPs on them iemanja Dec 27 #85

Nobody really cares about those places because comradebillyboy Dec 27 #116

We cared about Iraq iemanja Dec 27 #145

No words for Sudan again I see... Arazi Dec 26 #8

I'm curious quakerboy Dec 26 #19

The OP is about the slaughter of innocents Arazi Dec 26 #21

The dead and hungry quakerboy Dec 26 #41

US involvement isn't the point of the OP however Arazi Dec 26 #43

Id say it is. quakerboy Dec 26 #48

Why can't we effect change in Darfur? Or Congo? Arazi Dec 26 #49

How? quakerboy Dec 27 #74

Removing US aid would not stop Israeli action in Gaza Arazi Dec 27 #92

I dont agree. Period. quakerboy Dec 27 #134

I just did a search under your name for Darfur, Congo, and Sudan iemanja Dec 27 #82

It's not about *my* fixation Arazi Dec 27 #93

Your singular point iemanja Dec 27 #144

It's a very short post and not difficult to read iemanja Dec 27 #78

Again I repeat, it's not *my* fixation Arazi Dec 27 #94

You're the one continually raising it as an excuse. iemanja Dec 27 #143

I'm curious sarisataka Dec 26 #23

There is a difference in power over the situation, in my perception quakerboy Dec 26 #40

No, but it makes us as taxpayers complicit in the genocide iemanja Dec 27 #84

Just to show how superficial and fallacious this argument is, Beastly Boy Dec 27 #99

62,000 is the number of dead I see for Sudan womanofthehills Dec 26 #53

Sudan: "..up to 150,000 people had been killed in the conflict across the country." EX500rider Dec 27 #66

Whataboutism iemanja Dec 27 #76

me too BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 26 #14

Why do posts like this never mention Hamas? perdita9 Dec 26 #16

Because Hamas are "freedom fighters like Mandela" BannonsLiver Dec 26 #37

Hamas: mr715 Dec 26 #52

Because it's not a war - it's a one way slaughter womanofthehills Dec 26 #54

So who's been killing IDF soldiers and Israeli civilians? Beastly Boy Dec 27 #62

Hamas and Hezbollah did not form in a political vacuum. lees1975 Dec 27 #70

Of course not. They wouldn't exist if Iran didn't prop them up in their quest to destabilize the entire region. Beastly Boy Dec 27 #102

The reason for their formation and existence was present long before Iran got involved. lees1975 Dec 27 #114

Hamas was founded in 1987. Hezbollah was founded in 1985. Beastly Boy Dec 27 #119

I think you are well aware of the reason. Just as an example, after Oct 7, there was sparce condemnation of what Hamas JohnSJ Dec 27 #106

Great post. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 27 #117

Because now it's not Hamas doing the slaughtering? AloeVera Dec 27 #157

You are presuming that hiding among civilians in humanitarian zones is not an atrocity. Beastly Boy Sunday #225

It is a reason there will never be peace. Violence begets violence and revenge seems to be a basic human instinct. surfered Dec 26 #17

real talk: no one. quakerboy Dec 26 #18

K&R 2naSalit Dec 26 #24

The bib got dump elected. Clouds Passing Dec 26 #25

Others want credit as well sarisataka Dec 26 #35

Hamas is going to stop "Bibi and the Complicit West" by returning the hostages. maxsolomon Dec 26 #28

I gave up on Israel when Bibi MuchBetterThanThis Dec 26 #29

Aid enid602 Dec 26 #39

The hostages have been in the terror tunnels for well over a year. Richard D Dec 26 #31

Someone give Israel their own planet, in another galaxy please Avalon Sparks Dec 26 #45

If you can't care about the hostages Hamas took, you can't care about the civilians killed in the war either NickB79 Dec 26 #46

You're right . . . Richard D Dec 26 #47

Oh I know revenge has nothing to do with it. Avalon Sparks Dec 27 #89

This word salad is as meaningless as it is familiar. Beastly Boy Dec 27 #105

It infuriates me. AloeVera Dec 27 #127

Ah so Jewish people defending themselves is pure evil. ZRB Dec 27 #139

Evil is evil, even when Jews are committing it. AloeVera Dec 27 #153

So, you agree then, that Hamas is very evil? yagotme Sunday #229

And routinely disregarding evil with one conspicuous exception smacks of special dispensation, doesn't it? Beastly Boy Sunday #232

Wanna cracker, Polly? Dave Bowman Dec 27 #183

"False atrocity propaganda" . . . Richard D Dec 27 #148

Touched a nerve... AloeVera Dec 27 #155

Pathetic Avalon Sparks Dec 27 #162

Thank you for this. AloeVera Sunday #212

New health dept report heading to the UN. (WARNING) Mosby Sunday #213

You and I both know that there are those who will deny this MarineCombatEngineer Sunday #214

Hi MCE. AloeVera Sunday #219

Hi AloeVera, MarineCombatEngineer Sunday #221

Just be careful, that's how Willie Nelson got hurt,,, yagotme Sunday #230

Hitting the road again? AloeVera Sunday #231

Are you for real? Mossfern Dec 27 #160

Plenty of information from reputable Human Rights organizations Avalon Sparks Dec 27 #167

I'm talking about the atrocities of 10/7 Mossfern Dec 27 #169

Here's your answer Avalon Sparks Dec 27 #171

Uncaptured media Mossfern Dec 27 #177

You hit the nail on the head. AloeVera Dec 26 #59

Excellent points AloeVera Avalon Sparks Dec 27 #90

That's a gross overestimation. Beastly Boy Dec 27 #108

The sad and harsh truth malaise Dec 27 #100

That's the problem. You don't care enough to ask yourself what the reason for such discrepancy is. Beastly Boy Dec 27 #101

Bingo. Cruelty is what netenyahu has unleashed on the Palestinians. That was his goal all along and akbacchus_BC Dec 27 #112

If cruelty was his goal all along, Beastly Boy Dec 27 #126

Everything you say is what Israel is doing to their prisoners womanofthehills Dec 26 #55

Who has the video? How many hostages are "many"? Beastly Boy Dec 27 #109

And guess what? MarineCombatEngineer Dec 27 #118

Ha. Only because there is video. AloeVera Dec 27 #172

Ha!!! MarineCombatEngineer Dec 27 #174

Some divides are chasms too wide and deep to bridge, MCE AloeVera Dec 27 #184

I do love a good challenge. MarineCombatEngineer Saturday #189

"Who is going to stop Bibi and the complicit West?" J_William_Ryan Dec 26 #33

This is, unfortunately, the way it is calguy Dec 26 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Dec 26 #36

This kind The Bopper Dec 26 #38

So am I. It's far past time for Hamas to surrender. tritsofme Dec 26 #44

You, my friend, are not the only one sick of the IDF shit! Genocide, plainly. Jit423 Dec 26 #50

THIS malaise Dec 26 #58

Answer: mr715 Dec 26 #51

What's the likelihood of that? AloeVera Dec 26 #57

As likely as democracy to win at home mr715 Dec 27 #68

I don't see it. AloeVera Dec 27 #159

And now they have bombed the last hospital malaise Saturday #188

Three babies froze to death in the last few days. AloeVera Saturday #192

Not to defend how out of proportion edhopper Dec 26 #60

Feeling pretty healthy about the far worse slaughter everywhere else? Beastly Boy Dec 26 #61

Bibi isn't at blame. He is responding to the threat to his people. Groundhawg Dec 27 #86

I watched a great documentary the other evening. It's called "The Bibi Files". Dave Bowman Dec 27 #88

Why the 7 Oct 2023 Attack in Southern Israel? C0RI0LANUS Dec 27 #91

Are we justifyig hostage taking now? Beastly Boy Dec 27 #110

Ask Donnie Blue_Tires Dec 27 #98

Beyond sick. marble falls Dec 27 #103

Netanyahu is setting up World War. Kid Berwyn Dec 27 #107

Those that murder civilians are never the "Good Guys". Ping Tung Dec 27 #121

What is your opinion about killing illegal combatants who commit a war crime of perfidy? Beastly Boy Dec 27 #128

The same as my opinions about "legal" combatants who kill, starve, torture civilians. Ping Tung Dec 27 #129

Which is... what, exactly? Beastly Boy Dec 27 #130

That they're war criminals. Ping Tung Dec 27 #132

Ok, I must have misunderstood the purpose of your post. Beastly Boy Dec 27 #135

OK Mossfern Dec 27 #161

The only thing that works in stopping a bully OP is ThePartyThatListens Dec 27 #133

How about the Arab countries, get off their asses, and make some demands of Bibi, and rescue fellow Arabs? amuse bouche Dec 27 #136

I believe that you have a good point. nt Dave Bowman Dec 27 #138

You see there's a really good reason for that... ZRB Dec 27 #141

Who is the pro-Hamas crowd? iemanja Dec 27 #146

I don't know what else to call people parroting Hamas propaganda ZRB Dec 27 #150

Systematically bombing hospitals is mass murder iemanja Dec 27 #154

What systematic bombing of hospitals? ZRB Dec 27 #178

There are 22 Arab countries amuse bouche Saturday #191

Everywhere I look...I see HAMAS! Lemons UK Dec 27 #149

I hate it too, but it isn't just Bibi and the west. 58Sunliner Dec 27 #151

Hamas can stop it's terrorist activities. nycbos Dec 27 #152

No one in power cares... WarGamer Dec 27 #158

And I'm sick of the anti Israel propaganda posted here. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 27 #164

"anti Israel propaganda posted here" Dave Bowman Dec 27 #182

Genocide and war crimes malaise Sunday #216

Sorry, not buying what you're trying to sell here. nt MarineCombatEngineer Sunday #217

Am I lost? LiberaBlueDem Dec 27 #175

Yes, unfortunately I noticed that also. That's a damn shame. Dave Bowman Saturday #186

Democrats aren't pacifists. Mosby Saturday #200

The continued slaughter is no longer self defense within the confines of this current war Martin Eden Saturday #195

Israel should continue to degrade Hamas Mosby Saturday #196

"They don't want a country, they want to destroy Israel." Martin Eden Saturday #199

I think Native Americans might have come to that conclusion too. y AloeVera Saturday #203

Native Americans, in their desperation and grief, turned to the Ghost Dance. Martin Eden Saturday #206

Sometimes words can't either. AloeVera Sunday #211

A very thoughtful response malaise Saturday #197

The US is protecting our interests there.. by supporting Israel Arazi Saturday #201

But no issue with the higher death counts in other recent wars? EX500rider Saturday #198

Gaza is the worst slaughter of civilians in a "war" by any measure in the last 20 years or more. AloeVera Saturday #202

So killing 10 people in a country with 20 people would be worse then killing 3 million in a country with 23 million? EX500rider Saturday #204

Lol!! AloeVera Saturday #205

Lets use the UN number maybe? EX500rider Saturday #207

I thought your side didn't trust the UN. AloeVera Saturday #208

"unverified, unproven, evidence-free, totally made-up claim that the death toll of around 45k" EX500rider Saturday #209

Ah, selective editing. AloeVera Sunday #210

Correct malaise Sunday #215