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19. Basically the import tariff on American goods of any kind is now so

Reply to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 11, 2025, 03:50 PM

Apr 11

high that the answer is yes although in a roundabout way product does make it to China. For example in the case of commodities like soybeans the Chinese will continue to import what they need but it will be by way of companies from Brazil etc. But those companies will buy supply from the US at a reduced price because of a depressed market.

So it is not US soybeans going to China it is Brazilian for example because of the purchase. There are also "paper swaps" that take place so that the goods don't actually land in Brazil and then get reloaded on a boat to China. Paper changes hands and things get rerouted in transit. The penalty to US farmers for example is that they end up with a payment to them that is lower than what they would have gotten before all of this. The taxpayers may be forced to accept the burden of greatly increased farm support payments as well.

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smart creon Apr 11 #1

Yes, he definitely is PatSeg Apr 11 #49

He would be out of his league at a kindergarten. Dave Bowman Apr 11 #68

Ha, ha, ha. Yeah, that's true. PatSeg Apr 11 #86

Kindergarten was probably where this obnoxious behavior started. nature-lover Apr 11 #98

And if Trump annoys Xi enough, Xi can cash in China's holdings of US debt. Lonestarblue Apr 11 #69

Yes, both Xi and Putin know that PatSeg Apr 11 #92

He's like that kid in the Twilight Zone episode. CanonRay Apr 11 #110

"It's a Good Life", with a very young Billy Mumy RazorbackExpat Apr 12 #122

It's the steady drip Gordcanuck Apr 12 #135

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It is also a big win for China, Europe is now making nice with them. Irish_Dem Apr 11 #2

That is the H2O Man Apr 11 #25

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Now farmers BonnieJW Apr 11 #64

But not before he spends a fortune trying to bail them out. nature-lover Apr 11 #97

Fill in the blank! BidenRocks Apr 11 #111

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"he's the king of the world" Dave Bowman Apr 11 #70

Yes. The reckoning is coming. brush Apr 11 #74

And, unfortunately, for the time being, we.... reACTIONary Apr 11 #76

Not just farmers getting screwed WestMichRad Apr 11 #73

Yeah, prices are gonna soar. A guest on Nicole Wallace's show today... brush Apr 11 #79

China is often sole source for many chemicals IbogaProject Apr 11 #117

Yep and GusBob Apr 11 #27

Exactly. Irish_Dem Apr 11 #34

So maybe this is what Xi and Putin planned all along krkaufman Apr 11 #91

Yes seems fairly obvious doesn't it? Irish_Dem Apr 11 #94

Very good synopsis senseandsensibility Apr 11 #99

Yes dramatically changing the global economy. Irish_Dem Apr 11 #101

China is also filling the gap left by the desertion of USAID in poorer nations. Midnight Writer Apr 12 #132

Exactly. The plan all along. Irish_Dem Apr 12 #133

Trump has made enemies of friends, and aggravated enemies. Swede Apr 11 #3

AmeriKKKa First,... magicarpet Apr 11 #37

They are so stupidly arrogant, they think they own the world!! Justice matters. Apr 11 #45

When their wal-marts run out of made in China, it will hit them. then comes the blame Biden game. GreenWave Apr 11 #88

Now that's winning! RainCaster Apr 11 #4

I assume this means China will be buying their airplanes from Airbus, and JohnSJ Apr 11 #5

China and other trading partners could easily destroy Boeing thought crime Apr 11 #9

I fear the rest of the world will eventually have to do the same. sop Apr 11 #6

Does that mean that China is no longer buying anything from us? PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 11 #7

Yes this is what it sounds like Xi is saying. Irish_Dem Apr 11 #14

Seattle ? LetsGetSmartAboutIt Apr 11 #35

Somewhere even darker than that. :( Irish_Dem Apr 11 #47

And Katcat Apr 11 #93

Seattle has so many nice coffee shops. Irish_Dem Apr 11 #95

Not really. LisaM Apr 12 #126

Wow that is too bad. Irish_Dem Apr 12 #127

Yeah, Starbucks gobbled up some of them. LisaM Apr 12 #128

It was an odd energy I thought. Irish_Dem Apr 12 #131

It was the intersection of the last of the logging and fishing days LisaM Apr 12 #136

Yes Irish_Dem Apr 12 #137

There isn't a new bookstore in the whole downtown core. LisaM Apr 12 #142

I think it is the same everywhere. Irish_Dem Apr 12 #143

Definitely Tacoma then ...... nt kelly1mm Apr 11 #109

OMG senseandsensibility Apr 11 #100

Basically the import tariff on American goods of any kind is now so moniss Apr 11 #19

Americans are going to be forced by the Trumpernment to eat tons of tofu now. BamaRefugee Apr 11 #8

Oh my! wolfie001 Apr 11 #40

No thank you. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 11 #57

And China can do much more damage than the idiot realizes. Norbert Apr 11 #10

I think the problem there is that Canada relies on the US via pipelines to do the refining of the oil erronis Apr 11 #46

Read this article about the quiet power move Canada's PM made that pushed Trump to "pause". InstantGratification Apr 11 #48

The Canadian PM malaise Apr 11 #55

He also was governor of Bank Of ENgland for 8 years. Lots of international businedd connections. Amaryllis Apr 11 #67

Supposedly Navarro has a PhD in Economics from Harvard. InstantGratification Apr 11 #112

Thanks so much for bringing up this story MrsCheaplaugh Apr 11 #116

Trump will have to kiss Xi's ass and eat a lot of crow C_U_L8R Apr 11 #11

It sadden me for the sake of the agriculture and businesses that worked with them, Baitball Blogger Apr 11 #12

Almost 80% of people in agricultural counties voted for Trump Mysterian Apr 11 #32

But we'll bail them out. mobeau69 Apr 11 #58

Yep progressoid Apr 11 #61

Yes, here in WI the northern rural counties are red as is most of the state, but the votes are close.n/t elocs Apr 11 #106

It would be much more useful Akakoji Apr 12 #120

ukraine should make a deal with China to replace the USA farm products lapfog_1 Apr 11 #13

THIS!!!!! BurnDoubt Apr 11 #90

Per CNN... DET Apr 11 #15

Is this a paraphrase of something trump said senseandsensibility Apr 11 #22

Headline on CNN DET Apr 11 #33

Trump? Gracious? Not in this lifetime. nt Buns_of_Fire Apr 11 #38

"Face" is very important to just about all the Asian people. LiberalArkie Apr 11 #60

True. Most Americans don't understand just how important. CaptainTruth Apr 11 #84

... orangecrush Apr 11 #63

Intentional stupidity Iamscrewed Apr 11 #16

Do you have a link? I can't find anything. -nt CrispyQ Apr 11 #17

It was on what I believe is Katy Tur's hour on MSNBC senseandsensibility Apr 11 #23

Not The OP, But... ProfessorGAC Apr 11 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author Gaugamela Apr 11 #18

The felon thinks he can jerk people and countries around with no consequences. StarryNite Apr 11 #20

I can't find anything online about Xi's most recent comments Native Apr 11 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author Gaugamela Apr 11 #24

Link? i dont trust without a source. Amaryllis Apr 11 #26

Here's a link to Barton's 1 hr ago surfered Apr 11 #28

I could see it, but the link cuts it off on posting. Here's the jist. surfered Apr 11 #30

How can they justify a "beautiful tax cut" and also a huge subsidy for American farmers... walkingman Apr 11 #31

they can't, and they don't care to try. Native Apr 11 #36

What's the best way to deal with an idiot? It could well be to eliminate any dependencies that you have on him ... Jim__ Apr 11 #39

All of Dump's bluff's and bluster are just a lot of hot air in the end. Unfortunately, the consequences for our Martin68 Apr 11 #41

tRUMP will backtrack wolfie001 Apr 11 #43

Xi doesn't sound very 同心协力 about Trump's efforts. Ping Tung Apr 11 #44

I had a strange theory that these tariffs could lead to an expansive underground, black market economy. Balatro Apr 11 #50

Welcome to DU malaise Apr 11 #78

It will. Xolodno Apr 11 #96

Welcome to the DU Balatro! CountAllVotes Apr 11 #102

Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Apr 12 #144

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IOW, China has lots of sources for soybeans. The US has no other sources for most of the chips we need. Bluetus Apr 11 #51

Satire enid602 Apr 11 #52

Saw that coming. It's really the only thing they could do. Scrivener7 Apr 11 #53

Game is right senseandsensibility Apr 11 #89

China has sued the US at the malaise Apr 11 #54

Causing an Asian leader to lose face by capitulating in Trump's tariff war isn't going to happen. patphil Apr 11 #56

Trump fucked with the wrong marine. LOL mobeau69 Apr 11 #62

Wow. CHINA MFA Spokesperson: "Give the bully an inch, he will take a mile." vanessa_ca Apr 11 #59

Bottom line: we won't even pick up the phone until crazy guy is geschwinkto. Girard442 Apr 11 #66

They're sick of this crap, and .... reACTIONary Apr 11 #71

Frightening times for sure. spanone Apr 11 #72

Omg Demovictory9 Apr 11 #75

All this and our federal workers getting layed off. In every dept. FloridaBlues Apr 11 #77

And they control the lions share of medium and heavy rare earths Sailingdiver Apr 11 #80

With US tariffs threatening the rest of the world, China probably sees a way to get into wiggs Apr 11 #81

Trump's bluffing and has 40 or 50 "tells" usonian Apr 11 #82

Oh who cares? mountain grammy Apr 11 #85

So, are eggs cheaper now...or, no? Seems eggs should be cheaper by now. flvegan Apr 11 #87

Nope senseandsensibility Apr 11 #104

780,000,000,000 pbmus Apr 11 #103

republicans own this vapor2 Apr 11 #105

Hey MAGA farmers, sucks to be you Hassler Apr 11 #107

He did that to the Soybean farmers in his first term DENVERPOPS Apr 11 #114

Trump just cratered a huge part of the farming industry Javaman Apr 11 #108

Guess, the art of the deal, didn't go over to well. republianmushroom Apr 11 #113

Must have more refrrence Akakoji Apr 11 #115

The Chinese people can tolerate way more economic pain than Americans AdamGG Apr 11 #118

Standing up to a bully is the only way to avoid further demands. Aussie105 Apr 12 #119

Cutting off economic and trade ties with U.S. is VERY bad news for Taiwan and their allies. pat_k Apr 12 #121

G.O.P. Felon-in-Chief has totally screwed America BoRaGard Apr 12 #123

Fuckhead47's KKKultists are 100% certain to praise this as a victory Orrex Apr 12 #124

They should seize Ivanka's China-based holdings. Orrex Apr 12 #125

At some point a Democrat will offer a conciliatory gesture to China Orrex Apr 12 #130

There are plenty Littlered Apr 12 #129

So you're cool with tRUMP and his insane policies? wolfie001 Apr 12 #140

My post had nothing Littlered Apr 12 #141

Monday's opening is going to be brutal! May as well go to the casino. nt Jit423 Apr 12 #134

Xi is essentially embargoing American goods. Historic NY Apr 12 #138

It's time for Rubio and Co. to 25th this clown. Turbineguy Apr 12 #139