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bhikkhu

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28. Same here - I'll generally not watch videos, and am often disappointed that there's no text

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 02:50 PM

Dec 3

Writing an argument is a fundamentally different operation from speaking an argument. Some people are good at making verbal arguments, but that's a pretty rare talent. More often you find someone who is good at speaking, but who doesn't really make arguments at all, rather the more common thing is making observations. That's a much different thing, and less useful in many ways, especially if there is a questionable argument that underpins them, sitting unaddressed.

What you wind up with is not so much the communication of information, but the solicitation of trust. Which is to say - we don't get enough information to make a fact-based decision one way or another, but we do have the ability to choose to trust the speaker or not. It's definitely a different thing.

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The death of text. [View all] malthaussen Dec 3 OP

Reading and writing is becoming a quaint relic of the past. Irish_Dem Dec 3 #1

And they voted for a person who speaks like a grade-school bully Redleg Dec 3 #9

I've seen some analyses that show he speaks at a 4th grade level... SeattleVet Dec 3 #12

Yes the IQ, education and moral decline of the US population is quite clear. Irish_Dem Dec 3 #17

LOL. Charisma lies in the eye of the beholder. Redleg Dec 5 #66

We can blame social media instant gratification algorithms for this. Clouds Passing Dec 3 #25

I agree, social media and instant gratification PatSeg Dec 3 #33

27 years in the university classroom teaching American history. Last spring, I wrote some terms on the chalkboard, I Comfortably_Numb Dec 3 #18

I read an article a couple of years ago. Irish_Dem Dec 3 #22

Honestly. Not reading cursive doesn't mean not intelligent LearnedHand Dec 3 #42

Evidence for these young people's lack of signature? LearnedHand Dec 3 #41

After the election a number of stories hit the popular press about signatures and ballot problems. Irish_Dem Dec 3 #43

Do you have links? LearnedHand Dec 3 #44

Why don't you google it. Irish_Dem Dec 3 #45

I don't think that at all! LearnedHand Dec 3 #49

Not to butt in jfz9580m Dec 3 #50

Thank you. This is interesting LearnedHand Dec 3 #60

Thank you jfz9580m Dec 3 #62

Thanks for the link to Nicholas Carr LearnedHand Dec 3 #63

He is a writer jfz9580m Dec 3 #64

This genxlib Dec 3 #2

And they take twenty minutes to tell a story that PatSeg Dec 3 #37

I think they drag it out morillon Dec 3 #48

Exactly PatSeg Dec 3 #55

4 Or 5? ProfessorGAC Dec 3 #58

Wholeheartedly agree. Flatrat Dec 3 #3

Oh! Yes! Words, unaccompanied by emotional delivery, pauses, and Tesha Dec 3 #4

And video demands too much of my time splat Dec 3 #5

Yeah, seriously. malthaussen Dec 3 #29

I never watch videos. Can't stand them. They are way too slow. Demobrat Dec 3 #6

I can read a post way faster than watching a video, and skim read even faster Bernardo de La Paz Dec 3 #7

I can relate Redleg Dec 3 #8

Not sure it's that people are dinosaurs LearnedHand Dec 3 #61

Good points. It is a matter of preference Redleg Dec 5 #65

I almost never click a video link that is snuck in following a text headline. The Unmitigated Gall Dec 3 #10

What I dislike is the tweet or X thingy that has a link to an article. I wonder why people just sinkingfeeling Dec 3 #11

Agreed! And it would be rude to listen to a video in the Doctor's waiting room. surfered Dec 3 #13

I have nothing against text. I love text. I also appreciate video, which sometimes shows up online highplainsdem Dec 3 #14

I hear you on good commentary. ShazzieB Dec 3 #27

Me Too Innocent Smith Dec 3 #15

Honestly if i click a link and it goes to video WalkerinSC Dec 3 #16

Me too. Bo Zarts Dec 3 #23

And I should add, re text vs video, that a lot of times any text about a statement or exchange will leave highplainsdem Dec 3 #19

Agreed AverageOldGuy Dec 3 #20

Out of "an abundance of caution" beware: malware can be inserted into a device through text messaging, ancianita Dec 3 #21

I do like some videos (especially comedians) Kali Dec 3 #24

With text, I can copy and paste key excerpts into my notes nmmi Dec 3 #26

Same here - I'll generally not watch videos, and am often disappointed that there's no text bhikkhu Dec 3 #28

Too many people are just flat out illiterate now. Basso8vb Dec 3 #30

Yeah. And it's KILLING the experience here. Auggie Dec 3 #31

Just different ways of getting information. Elessar Zappa Dec 3 #32

That's not true. hunter Dec 3 #57

I don't open red square posts. Blue square aren't as bad. Srkdqltr Dec 3 #34

Yeah, I don't care what a dude or gal with a web camera has to say on politics or the economy. Jacson6 Dec 3 #35

There are a couple of videos I like to watch Deuxcents Dec 3 #36

I think I agree. I understand complex issues better if I read them as opposed to hearing someone talk about LoisB Dec 3 #38

I soooooo agree with this. jfz9580m Dec 3 #39

And I can skim text to see if I'm interested. nilram Dec 3 #40

You are not alone... rasputin1952 Dec 3 #46

Me too TexLaProgressive Dec 3 #47

I agree w/ you. Too many videos, too many going after that 'click count'. I too, like the sound of actual SWBTATTReg Dec 3 #51

"I can read and interpret at my leisure..." J_William_Ryan Dec 3 #52

Meanwhile they scream at us to NOT click on links Phentex Dec 3 #53

It seems to me that most videos are talking heads taking 10 minutes to explain 45 seconds of actual news. Earthrise Dec 3 #54

Television news and opinion is worthless. hunter Dec 3 #56

Too many podcasters who think they have all the answers. Fla Dem Dec 3 #59

I noticed a while back how often people are declaiming a need to "express themselves" while at the same time ... eppur_se_muova Dec 5 #67

You want an argument ? Here you go ! eppur_se_muova Dec 5 #68

"It's not just contradiction!" "Yes it is!" malthaussen Dec 5 #69