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Bernardo de La Paz

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30. You write there is pending "collapse" of democracy & then propose an anarchic election
Wed Feb 9, 2022, 01:00 PM
Feb 2022

Stop it. I do not think you are "advocating FOR anarchy" and never wrote anything remotely resembling that.

I think you

1) Over dramatize the situation: "brink of collapse".

2) Indulge in binary mode thinking: "complete failure", "acquiesced", "without any deterrence".

3) Mischaracterize posters writing through lack of comprehension (other alternative is purposely which I don't believe): "How many closings acceptable to you", "I guess astroturf insurrections are no big deal", "How much anarchy is too much for you".

4) You may be an American (US citizen).

5) Haven't thought through to realize just how destabilizing and anarchic an emotional election would be.


Don't you realize that forcing an election now would destabilize things more than anything people are doing or not doing regarding this crisis?

Why would you even suggest such a stupid idea? (idea, not you) It would destabilize because

1) It would be seen as the worst kind of opportunism while the Conservative party has only an interim leader.

2) You seem to have forgotten there was a very recent election. If I took your debating style I'd write some tripe like "You write as if you don't know there was a very recent election". I remind you, many people thought the September election was opportunistic (see pt 1).

3) An election in the middle of turmoil would be turbulent beyond belief compared to the last 100 years of elections. Stupid time to call for an election. Such an emotional election would be rife with anarchy and not characterized by sober reflection.

4) The key truckers' demand has been "Fuck Trudeau". They talk about wanting a new election. They would cheer if there was a stupid election now. To use your own phraseology, it would be Bannon's wet dream. Why would you play into their hands? Did you not think this through and arrive at this angle?

Do not give the occupiers what they want.

Again, your thesis "brink of collapse" and your proposed solution "force a new election" are nonsense.

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No. Please don't post a nonsense hypothesis. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #1
Feel free to refute any perceived "nonsense". largest US/Can border crossing is currently blocked Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #4
Well, first off, you indulge in binary, all or nothing, black or white thinking, which is very flawe Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #6
Did the police/border patrol attempt to stop the blockade of the Ambassador bridge? Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #12
Hell No . .. Lovie777 Feb 2022 #2
In simple terms, no. OneBlueDotS-Carolina Feb 2022 #3
The 2019 convoy was just a dress rehearsal for this one Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #7
As I said....these klowns are pikers compared to... OneBlueDotS-Carolina Feb 2022 #8
Why wait until it gets as bad as The previous crises? Nt Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #11
The biggest problem is Rob Ford. OneBlueDotS-Carolina Feb 2022 #14
A pestilence won't go away with wishful thinking. C_U_L8R Feb 2022 #5
What a load of codswallop... Spazito Feb 2022 #9
25-30% of all cross border commerce moves across the Ambassador bridge Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #10
How many Jan6 are acceptable to you? Did you post US democracy on brink of collapse Jan 2017 & Jan6? Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #15
My position on the fragility of US democracy is easily researched in my past posts on DU. Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #20
How many border crossings are there? Spazito Feb 2022 #19
It is the inaction of leadership that puts Canada's democracy at risk Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #21
You do know there are 4 big crossings from Michigan to Ontario, right? Spazito Feb 2022 #23
And how would 8,000 more truck a day impact these crossings? Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #24
The point is the trucks have options... Spazito Feb 2022 #26
I guess astroturf insurrections are no big deal Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #28
Hyperbole definitely gets Canadians on board... Spazito Feb 2022 #29
Alberta lifted all COVID restrictions in one fell swoop last night. Saskatchewan to follow. Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #13
The decisions being made would have been made without the convoy... Spazito Feb 2022 #16
Yes, codswallop. In any case, "a new election" is not a collapse of democracy. OP stranger to logic. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #17
Very true... Spazito Feb 2022 #18
How much anarchy is too much for you? Nt Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #22
Your conclusion, "a new election", is not anarchy. Most consider elections hallmark of democracy.nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #25
You seriously misunderstand my position- it's not that a new election would be anarchy Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #27
You write there is pending "collapse" of democracy & then propose an anarchic election Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #30
I am a dual citizen who has lived in BC for 10 years Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #31
Do not give the occupiers what they want: "a new election". It is nonsense to suggest one. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #32
Do you agree Trudeau must be pressured to act boldly to end the crisis? Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #33
The truckers are praying for "bold action" Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #34
The organizers currently have a platform for free media and fundraising Fiendish Thingy Feb 2022 #35
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