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ismnotwasm

(42,481 posts)
8. I only have anecdotal experiences of a friend
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 09:30 AM
Jan 2014

So, while it's psychologically freeing and healthy to live as a gender one identifies with, I can only compare the experience of being Trans as "coming out" Gay to hostile relatives with severe religious bias.
Any M-F or F-M who goes through this experience is not going to be supported by far, far too many in society. They will be seen as " freaks"

When you are a woman, something that's been a part of your psychological make-up but not your physical one, to throw off shackles of incorrect gender quite possibly blinds you to the drawbacks of male privilege because your inner turmoil is so great.

All That being said, F-M Trans are "trained" to be female, clothing, shoes, hair make up, the way you walk.

One of the issues my friends has in the Trans community is how easily she "passes"-- she's 5'9" not 6'2" and had a petite frame, no one would look at her and say "she looks like a man"--she feels this causes jealousy in the Trans community she is a part of, because so many do NOT "pass". This has caused her to withdraw from the Trans community and support groups she was part of.

This is also the part of being Trans that exposes how great gender physical expectations actually are, and how ingrained they are. That in itself is an argument for male privilege. Expectations are different for women seen as attractive and "feminine"

As far as privilege, she doesn't deny it, but she hasn't had the full experiences of not having it. However, this is a decorated combat Vietnam war veteran who was one in of the worst battles in that wars history. She has PTSD. She does color guard sometimrs and simply redirects awkward questions. She doesn't say "I was a woman then, I just had no other option except to live in a mans body".

She is more than happy to discuss feminisms with me, but interestingly enough, she's more likely to talk about her war experiences.

So I think the Trans community may use denial of male privilege as a kind of protective coloring-- this is difficult path to take, surgery or no surgery.

And there ARE Trans feminists who are very aware of male privilege, and I appreciate their input very much.

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I agree that trans women has a place in feminism cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #1
I don't think that is a huge issue, is it really? Is it just a personal anecdote? boston bean Jan 2014 #4
It became a problem in one of the groups I used to be in. So just an adecdote. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #5
"Trans women may not have it during periods of female presentation" Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #2
I think maybe you misread the context and the author is saying what you have said. boston bean Jan 2014 #3
That is what the sentence means cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #6
there are two problems with this: Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #14
Warren, I think the writer meant before transition. boston bean Jan 2014 #17
sorry, I feel a rant coming. I get the feeling I'm preaching to the choir, though. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #20
maybe I'm being oversensitive and looking for worst possible interpretations Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #22
No, it's understandable cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #23
PS cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #12
we do our best. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #15
It is much easier to accept yourself cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #16
Trans women might get male privilege in some cases gollygee Jan 2014 #7
I only have anecdotal experiences of a friend ismnotwasm Jan 2014 #8
Passing is so important cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #13
I agree ismnotwasm Jan 2014 #19
It upsets me that we live in a world MadrasT Jan 2014 #18
Yes. I agree so much with what you're saying. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #21
While I'm at it here are radical Transfeminist tumblers ismnotwasm Jan 2014 #9
Thanks for the Tumblr recs! Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #11
Great article. redqueen Jan 2014 #10
Very thought-provoking article about a subject that, for the most part, is utterly foreign to me. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #24
Insignificance - Talk about driving a truck thru a loophole One_Life_To_Give Jan 2014 #25
There is also cis-privilege, if you think about it. Dash87 Jan 2014 #26
That is covered in depth in the article as well. boston bean Jan 2014 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Zorra Jan 2014 #28
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